Life and Leadership
at the Speed of
Healthy Relationships

We're pastors, teachers, and friends to leaders. With over two decades of ministry experience and a shared passion for healthy leadership, we walk alongside people longing to grow in emotional, relational, and spiritual depth while leading well.

We've seen the beauty and burden of leadership. Our heart is to create space for leaders to be real, restore what's broken, and lead from wholeness—not exhaustion.

We co-pastor the Church of Living Water, a Foursquare Church in Olympia, Washington. We are overwhelmingly thankful that we get to serve such a wonderful community of people intent on being disciples of Jesus.